Monday, April 23, 2007

Women: Leadership in a relationship

What is a leader?
The next discussion turned to what a leader is. We discussed what the general definition of a leader was, and what a leader was in a relationship. A general leader was defined as two things: First, someone who is passionate and inspires others to follow them/their example. Second, someone who tells people what to do and how to do it. What is a leader in a relationship? No one could give a good answer. Why should a man, just because he is a man, be able to have the final say? Why do women not have as much right in a marriage to give their opinion and be involved equally in the decision-making? Just because they are a man, does that mean they are automatically smarter/wiser/more in-tuned with God? Do women lose all opinions and decision-making abilities when they say "I do"? One of the girls even said, flat out, that men should get the final say and ended the statement with, "even though I'm totally not like that." Then why do it? If you don't agree with it or believe it, why do it? Just because someone told you that was the way it should be done? She's already putting aside her own ideas for someone else's (and I can't resist saying that a guy convinced her that men as the head of the relationship is the "right" way-- I don't get it, I just don't!).
There were a few examples that we discussed regarding leadership and decision-making. The first was the game "Follow the Leader." One of the girls used this as an example that, although everyone was following the leader, they were in fact following the person in front of them (symbolic of the man). The man is taking direction from the leader who is giving direction to the woman. (*roll of eyes*) They denied the fact that a leader in a relationship is someone who tells everyone else what to do and how to do it.... except, if the leader is telling/leading everyone to go left, they're doing what the leader is telling them to do. I'm not seeing the difference in this analogy.
The other issue we discussed, with a lot more heat under it I might add, was who makes the decisions. Does someone have the final say? How are decisions made? The example that was used was a couple moving. Who makes the decision of where to move or even if they move at all? When discussing this topic with my very wise friend, she explained to me the way her (egalitarian) marriage works: They only make a decision if they both agree or get the same calling/vision. If they don't agree or have the same calling, they don't move a muscle. Only when God gives them the same calling do they do anything. They discuss every decision together and come to a conclusion together-- neither person gets more of a say than the other. This idea went kinda over the heads of my Bible studiers. One scenario that was brought up was: what if one person wants to move (actually it was the wife in this example) and the man doesn't? Since they can't agree to move so they don't go anywhere, doesn't that mean he "wins"? Not at all. It is out of respect and love that the decision to not move is made. By forcing the man (or woman) to do something they don't want to do is manipulative and wrong-- not a definition of equality. It may require compromise. Yes, people want their own way, but one person shouldn't get their way just because of their biology. And out of love and respect, the man or woman may agree to move. But it has nothing to do with authority or leadership when that decision/compromise is made.
As the discussion continued on, a question was asked of me that actually took me by surprise. When I mentioned that I didn't know the definition of a leader in a relationship, I wasn't kidding. However, I was asked, "What would it look like if Michael was the leader?" Were you not listening to anything I've been saying?!? I answered, even though I was more confused as to how they could ask me that, but whatever, "I don't want him to be the leader. And he doesn't want to be the leader. We both believe in equality in a relationship and marriage. We make decisions together and we support and encourage each other in everything. Even though he is not the 'leader,' he is still one of the most passionate people I know! He respects me and treats me as I should be treated. He loves God and follows God with all of his heart. He is passionate about church and is excited about what our church is doing. He is in no way weaker or less of a man because he is not and does not want to be the leader." God has blessed me with a man who holds the same beliefs about relationships and marriage as I do. I believe that that is not a coincidence!
However, this was the question that was asked in response to that: "If Michael is so passionate, isn't that being a leader?" "What do you mean? I don't understand the question." "Passion is inspiring. So a person who is passionate inspires people to follow." WHAT?! My response (with other thoughts thrown in): "Michael is passionate about a lot of things. But by no means does he lead me in those passions. Yes, he teaches me about certain things, but never leads me. One of his main passions is music. He is the worship leader at church, but it really does not play a role in our relationship. But what about my passions? Just because I'm a woman, does that mean they don't matter? Are my passions not inspiring?" Both Michael and I are passionate about God and our church. But I was passionate about God long before I even met Michael. Yes, we can encourage each other and inspire each other in our relationship with God, but in no way does he lead me. He does not tell me what to read, how to pray, what to believe, etc. It's my own personal relationship with my creator-- I don't need Michael there to help it grow. We can come together and have a relationship centered on God and come together to study together, but there's no leading or submitting going on. Also, I was there when the first thought of Revolution came to be. Michael was nowhere around. We were passionate about it before we even met! We can both be passionate about Revolution and where it is going and form relationships and friendships within Revolution, but my passion and drive for it has nothing to do with Michael and his drive and passion has nothing to do with me. We both enjoy it and play central roles in it, but I don't rely on him for my passion about church. We both are there because we are following God's calling on our lives and it happens to be the same passion... coincidence? I think not! We rely on God to give us our own calling and vision and if we are truly meant to be together, then God will (and has) give us the same calling and vision. But God will not only give the vision/calling to Michael and he passes it on to me and I follow blindly. God uses our passions to change and grow our own lives and our relationship. We come together and encourage, inspire, teach, lean on, support, challenge, and help each other. We do it because we love each other and because we love God. It has nothing to do with our identity as being a man or a woman, it has everything to do with our identity as a son and daughter of God.

End of part two!

5 comments:

David said...

Well, I'd never tell you to be silent in church...I'd get my a** kicked!

Well said. :-)

Kate said...

And not by just me either... you have your wife to answer to as well! And I KNOW she'd kick your ass!

Unknown said...

Spot on Kate!! I feel like we are walking side by side rather than pulling the "weaker" person along because they can't keep up!
When we move ahead together there needs to only be one leader of our realationship. That leader is and always will be God. He is the leader of our relationship we're not. Good thing to because we would really frack things up no? I Love You!

Kate said...

Michael: I LOVE YOU! That's all there really is to say.

Unknown said...

Where do we get all this stuff from anywho? It's amazing that a bunch of folk can sit around and talk about the way it should be even if that's not who they are - but that'll just get me going on about the commidification of ideas so i'll leave that one.

My other thought is that again we are playing bible when we don't understand what we really mean. Jesus for instance made some radical pronouncments on divorce - giving women the right to end the relationship rather than it just being the man's choice. hmmm, well that's a kick in unjust treatment of women and a reminder of higher call to commitment rather than convenience which really shook up the whole crew, disciples [male ones anyway] and religious leaders alike...

And then of course we trot into ephesians and make fun comments about women submitting like we're blind to the male call to be loving and loving no less than in the nature of Christ. Or to put it in Paul's terms, love is about giving not getting. What if I love my wife in such a way that I am for her? That i do everything in my power to help her fulfill her life, her call, her passions, her struggles etc? What if i do that at the expense of worrying about ME because i know that she will be submitting herself to me in the same way that Christ submitted himself to the Father - there's no hierachy here, we can't have one God ranked - God is God just like a couple is a couple - but since the very nature of God is other centred - in the same way the very nature of the couple should be other centred.

Reality check: that don't always happen, we're selfish, individualist folk who don't like limits and certainly don't like giving without any prosopect of getting - unconditional love is pretty much a myth. But then again we commit to each other and maybe we say ok perhaps as a nuclear option if we ever get stuck than i voluntary submit myself to you rather than ripping ourselves down the middle - and i say that because i love you and i know you love me and you will, if it ever comes to that, make that final call, out of your love for me not just what is expediently good for you...

We get back into the whole trinity thang and the nature of our relationship - is one of a journey of learning to put down our rights - not so we get trampled on or cos we love how much it costs us but cos that is the nature of love. I try and choose not for me but for my wife and trust that she will do the same for me.

What that does mean pretty quickly is a reminder of just how much i need God to help me and grow my character - how easy it is to be manipulative or insist on my way and how much i need him to help wean me off my own selfish ways.

of course that's just flawed me :)